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    MLB baseball salaries 1988-2011

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    A dataset of MLB salaries by player for the last 23 years It can be analysed in conjunction with other data to compare salary to player performance and look at a teams outlay in relation to success on the field Information on TV deals and labour relations are amongst the factors that might explain the trends. Similar datasets for other major North American sports may be provided in due course

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek
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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    Does money really talk? There have been a few conversations here today about this topic. To answer this, I put together a graphical analysis of the average MLB total team salary per year, and how the World Series winner's team salary measured against it.

    Very interesting to see that there was a ten percentage point difference between the winners with a total salary above the league average, and the winners who had a total salary that was on par with the league average (+/- $500,000 ).

    Teams below the league average only accounted for 18% of World Series victories since 1988.

    The numbers don't lie. Any thoughts on this? Let's sound off as usual.

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    molly molly

    great visuals artful! very good analysis. some others implied that thebig spenders weren't actually winning but yes i think the numbers speak for themselves. the more money the team has to pay its players, the better their chances. baseball is american capitalism at its finest (or ugliest, depending on what side you're on)

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    jaredphillips jaredphillips

    Money most certainly makes a team. If money was no object, any of us here could certainly buy ourselves a good team and win a couple of championships. So much so that I don't really enjoy watching baseball all that much when teams like NY, Boston or any large market city can spend there way to a title.

    I think that the one who loses the most from sports leagues without salary caps are the fans of all those small market teams, they simply will have a really hard time competing and making a viable business. I can attest to this fact from the comparison between the NHL pre and post lock out. There is so much parity in the league now that coaching and GM abilities play such a bigger role then they ever had before. Even under the salary cap system, small market teams in the NHL have a hard time being competitive (Nashville, Florida Panthers, maybe Winnipeg)

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    Jared, I just posted the link to a blog post of a baseball fan who doesn't quite agree with your position on salary caps. What do you think of his opinion?

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    jaredphillips jaredphillips

    Yeah, I read some of those when I was wondering why baseball doesn't have a salary cap. Back in the day, I used to think that the Leafs should have just used the hundreds of millions on just buying a Stanley Cup before the salary cap. But really, I think I'm going to appreciate it more now that all the teams are on an equal footing.
    It's like sending the Dream Team (remember them, the USA basketball All-Stars) to the Olympics. Of course you're going to knock Sweden back to the stone ages. It's also the same reason for weight classes in Boxing.

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    molly molly

    i agree with jared. it's almost like economic class distribution. the rich get richer and stronger, while the poor stagnate or get poorer. except that with baseball, there is an obvious solution - caps!

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    "Class distribution" in the MLB mashed up against class distribution in society could be an interesting data mashup ;-)

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    tani_k tani_k

    Reminds me of a graph in Soccernomics running a regression between position in league table and team salary. I think that one had an R-square of above 90% from what I remember. Not much surprise.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    Tani_K, I think you'll like this data analysis: http://transferpriceindex.com/2011/08/the-2011-update-to-the-msq-model/

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    molly molly

    hmm i can createa graph of that! how do i upload it?

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    You can upload it to your blog or website, and then post a link to the image here, as a visualization.

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    jaret_manuel jaret_manuel

    Great visualization although there is an error. 2009 the Yankees won the world series. The Phillies came out on the losing end. You do provide very impressive and artistic visuals. Keep it up!

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    It does show the Yankees for 2009. You might have missed the Yankees logo because it's very high above the curve for salary average :-P

    And thanks! Great to see lots of conversation and activity here this weekend.

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    jaret_manuel jaret_manuel

    My bad. It is indeed an outlier from a visual perspective. I found that odd because your visuals are the best hands down on this data set.

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    jaret_manuel jaret_manuel

    Since 2001, 7 of the last ten World Series titles have been won by teams with the 8th (and as high as 24th) highest payrolls with the average for that period sitting at 9.6. Three titles (2 by the Red Sox and 1 by the Yankees) were won by the top two highest payroll teams but after that the argument for a highest payroll gets tossed out the door.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    The analysis reveals an interesting trend in the overall results of the high paying teams. Yes, a higher percentage (46%) of the highest payroll each season have gone on to win the world series, but in the bigger picture, most teams who have won are within the top to median percentile of salary payers (~82%).

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    jaredphillips jaredphillips

    Spending the most money in any league does not equate to winning championships. But what it does do is win more games. What would be a good test/problem to solve is the Yankees wins for something like 5 years compared to a team near the bottom of the spending curve. What I think you'll see is that they win quite a few more games.
    So logic will dictate that because the Yankees will win more games, the deeper into the post season they will go, giving them opportunities to win more games which then gives them the chance to win a world series.
    But what's hard to quatify is the role of things such coaching, morale, confidence, scandals etc (x factors) play in a season in any sport. I think almost all of these charts agree that if you spend more, you'll win more. You only have to lose four games in the whole year to come in second place.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    Good points Jared! Yes, data shows that more money equals more wins over an entire season, and often a berth in the playoffs.

    However, I'm sure the strategists and management of these big spenders have the championship as their goal for the season, unlike a smaller team that would probably have a goal of a decent run of wins and a decent showing in the playoffs.

    But yes, it will be interesting to see a comparison between the Yankees and a low spending team, like you suggested.

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    pssguy pssguy

    Hi, Just got back in commission after posting the player salaries a few weeks ago. Nice visualizations ag - what packages do you use?.

    The 2001 salary spike looks wrong. I think the average team outlay should be of the order of $65 million that year. Also couple of points on the other two graphs. In the pie chart is the 'within year average' the mid 50%. Also not clear at all what the bubbles denote

    People seem happy enough with the system but it seems flawed to me. As I believe one of the other visualizations showed, money helps you get to playoffs but then its a free for all. Even the theory that having the best pitchers is what wins has suffered a setback this year.
    To my mind the European soccer model has the advantage in that the Champions League (cf World Series) is seen as the pinnacle of success but winning the national leagues (cf a MLB division) is still of itself a major achievement. Of course salaries play an even more significant role over there

    BTW I have just posted some NFL player salaries

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek
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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    I generated this chart from the data, to highlight the highest paid player in the MLB for each year. I have added a separate dataset for analysis of the salary spending and team success on the field.

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    jaret_manuel jaret_manuel

    Nice visualization. Thanks for producing and sharing.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    You're very welcome. Thought it would some add context to the data. Feel free to opine!

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    jaret_manuel jaret_manuel

    What surprised me somewhat is the fact that only A Rod in 2009 with the Yankees was the highest paid player to win the World Series.

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    garyjstorey garyjstorey

    Interesting that only a handful of these guys have NOT been proven to be juiced up.

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    gaschowin gaschowin

    Manny Ramirez sure BEAT the rest of the league in salary in 2004.

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    garyjstorey garyjstorey

    Haha, there goes my theory about first base being the least important! This could also have to do with first basemen often being power hitters that converted to first base later in their careers to prolong...as first base is the least strenuous position on your body. So basically you got the bulk of first basemen being old power hitters...skews the average.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    Ha! I originally thought the outfielders were the highest paid, but the data shows that is not the case, and the first baseman are significantly ahead of the others, in terms of wages.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek
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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    JaredPhillips you mentioned the big teams having the upper hand in fan entertainment, but this chart from Business Insider seems to imply that even the big money teams have seen fan attendance reduce quite a bit.

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    jaredphillips jaredphillips

    I think (don't have data to back it up) but all sports have seen a drop in attendance except for the few that have thought outside the box with promotions and give aways (UFC I'm looking in your direction) during these difficult times.
    But my overall point was that small markets don't have the money to sign better players that NY and Boston have the luxury of doing. It's simple math to say that if you started a team with 200 million to spend and I started a team with 50 million, no matter what the sport, you would win a majority of times.

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    jaret_manuel jaret_manuel

    A good regression analysis between attendance versus the almighty television revenues. The gate is great but it's the YES network and NES that all teams would all but kill for.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    This is really neat. The Tampa Bay Rays have one of the lowest wage bills in the MLB, yet they have a much better return on the investment, in terms of wins this season, compared to the big spenders like the Yankees.

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    jaret_manuel jaret_manuel

    If I am not mistaken this visulization spans from 1998-2010 not 1988.

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    garyjstorey garyjstorey

    If only the Jays played in the Central...can't remember the last the Jays had a losing record against the Central division.

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    pssguy pssguy

    Neat. I have been planning to upload a WAR series to complement the salay db and this may prompt me to action it. Unfortunately, it is the Fangraphs version which differs from your BBRef? figures. e.g Ellsbury is top according to them

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    jaredphillips jaredphillips

    Some really cool breakdowns from the 2011 MLB season.
    I like the least efficient stats near the bottom.

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    It's pretty fascinating to see the data presented this way. I wonder if anyone from the New York Yankees is aware that the math has been pretty bad for them for YEARS now.

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    garyjstorey garyjstorey

    They're definitely aware that they have won the most World Series titles of all time.

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    molly molly

    but their player salary to wins ration is quite poor -bad economics, IMO

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    pssguy pssguy
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    artfulgeek artfulgeek
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    2010-11 NHL Salaries by Team - USATODAY.com

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    pssguy pssguy
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    MLB salaries : PremierSoccerStats

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek
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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    Mashed up data from user Darryllewood's dataset with the one for this MLB salary dataset, to make a comparison with 1988-2011 average salaries of Teachers, Heads of State, NBA players, and the average family.
    Interesting to see how one dwarfs them all.
    Any thoughts on this?
    PS: It will be cool to see some more data mashups!

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    artfulgeek artfulgeek

    Mashed up data from user Darryllewood's dataset with the one for this MLB salary dataset, to make a comparison with 1988-2011 average salaries of Teachers, Heads of State, NBA players, and the average family.
    Interesting to see how one dwarfs them all.
    Any thoughts on this?
    PS: It will be cool to see some more data mashups!

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